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I was listening to the radio the other day, and they announced a forthcoming programme called 'Cross Incontinence'. Sounded interesting, I thought, thinking of my own brushes with the subject, on occasion, so I decided to leave the radio on, and listen to it.

As the evening wore on, several announcers mentioned the programme, and one said 'we will be visiting Egypt to discuss the urgent matter there.' I had missed what urgent matter it was, because I was visiting the loo - which I thought apposite! ;D

Anyway, at 9pm, the programme started, and I was hysterical, because it was actually called 'Crossing Continents'. None of the four announcers had been - despite all having a proper BBC accent - able to separate the words!

I listened anyway.


I wanted to share some things from a little book I have called 'The School of Manners, or Rules for Children's Behaviour', written in the 1600's for boys. This version published in 1701.

Are you fed up with the manners of modern youth? Read what they were being taught then, and compare it with now. And laugh - ironically.



I have put modern spelling, because all those f's for s's can be tedious.

After a lengthy introduction about the failing manners of youth comes...

Chapter One.

Short and Mixt Precepts

1. Fear God
2. Honour the King
3. Reverence thy Parents
4. Submit to thy Superiors
5. Despise not thy inferiors
6. Be courteous with thy Equals
7. Pray daily and devoutly
8. Converse with the Good.
9. Imitate not the wicked.
10. Let not Play Entice Thee
11. Be always Cleanly
12. Covet future Honour which only virtue and Wisdom can procure.

Chapter III - Of Behaviour at Home... (are your kids and grandkids listeniing? :D)

Always bow at coming home, and be immediately uncovered. (Take your hat off!!!)

Be never covered at home, especially before thy Parents or Strangers.

Never sit in the presence of thy Parents without bidding.

If thou pass by thy Parents, or by any place where thou seest them, bow towards them.

If thou be going to speak to thy Parents, and see them engaged in Discourse, or Company, draw back, and leave thy business til afterwards; but if thou Must speak, be sure to whisper.

Never speak to thy parents without some title of respect, My Lord, my Lady, Sir, Madam, Forsooth, etc. According to their Quality.

Approach thy Parents at No Time without a bow.

Go not forth of doors without thy Parents leave, and return within the time by them set.

Use respectful and courteous language towards the Servants.

Quarrel not with the Brethren or Sistren, but live in Love, Amity and Unity.

Bear with meekness, and without murmuring or sullenness, thy Parents Reproofs or Corrections, even though they may be causeless, or undeserved.

At the Table...Sam, are you listening? (a VERY fussy eater, our Sam.)


Ask not for anything, but tarry till it be offered thee.

Find not fault with any thing that is given thee.

Eat everything that is offered to the. Do not move the food about upon thy plate or trencher, and examine it.

Feed thyself with thy two fingers, and the Thumb of the Left Hand.

If thou want any thing from the Servants, call to them softly.

(there are dozens of precepts offered in this book, but my favourites are. (in Company)'Spit not in the Room, but in a corner, and rub it out with thy foot' and ' Put not thy hand to any part of thy body not ordinarily Discovered." Shriek.

There are more, should anyone wish to read of them at a later date. Ah, the old days! :D

Gainsbrough's The Blue Boy. Click for the biggah!

Date: 2009-09-17 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tristanpaulus.livejournal.com
Any part of the body not ordinarily discovered? What does that mean?

Date: 2009-09-17 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
That really made me giggle. I presumed it meant sticking a finger in the ear - but you never know. Boys will fiddle with dangly bits, you know! ;D xxx

Date: 2009-09-17 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laeliacatt.livejournal.com
*curtsies*

*whispers* Forsooth, dearest Issi! 'Twas quite amusing!

*scampers off, trying desperately to put not my hand to any part of my body not ordinarily Discovered.*

Hee!

Date: 2009-09-17 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mole-caz.livejournal.com
Ah yes.....it's sometime since I read this and thanks for posting as it is very good reminder!

You can add not putting elbows upon the table (although this was more of a medaeival rule) as to do so would cause the unconnected table top (board) to tip and therefore strew the contents of the platters and dishes over all concerned!

Oh and if thou hast a fever of the nose and blow into thy hand, show not thy hand to thy neighbour but purchance wipe thy hand upon thy gown or upon thy napery!

Date: 2009-09-17 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] primula-baggins.livejournal.com
"it was actually called 'Crossing Continents'."

Bwahaha! That's so funny. I wondered why they'd have a program called 'Cross Incontinence'. :D

Wow, I think children today should have more respect for everyone, but these were a bit much!

'Put not thy hand to any part of thy body not ordinarily Discovered.'

lol! I liked the one about spitting in the corner, too. They didn't want spit *everywhere* in the house, just in the corner. :D

These rules were obviously written for the upper class. I wonder what rules there were for the lower class? Probably "do whatever your master tells you"!

Date: 2009-09-17 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] primula-baggins.livejournal.com
lol! Other good ones!

Gosh, now that I see where the rule about not putting one's elbows on the table comes from, I think I'm inclined to start doing it! That's the hardest thing for me to avoid doing.

Date: 2009-09-17 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mews1945.livejournal.com
11. Be always Cleanly

Well, that would be hard enough for today's kids. The rest, forget about it!

Date: 2009-09-17 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janejanejane.livejournal.com
How interesting... Some of those in the first part could go a long way towards making a better society, methinks!

Re speaking to parents, which I think should include adults in general, reminds me of some of the children at school and how they interrupt when adults are speaking together... We have to teach them to wait until the adults have finished.

Gone are the days when "Children should be seen and not heard"! Not that I'm advocating a return to that, but nowadays children are allowed to think that the world revolves around them!

Date: 2009-09-17 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nimue-8.livejournal.com
"Feed thyself with thy two fingers, and the Thumb of the Left Hand"

No utensils?

For the rest, :-) I suppose it was an ideal to reach, but still. Times change.

Date: 2009-09-18 04:17 am (UTC)
msilverstar: catherine tate looking skeptical (skeptical)
From: [personal profile] msilverstar
I think they're rules honored more in the breach than the observance! And when you think that people routinely beat their kids... Most of the kids I know now, in the 8-10 year old range, are really interesting and nice.

Date: 2009-09-18 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arabia764.livejournal.com
It all seems really good advice to me. I think I might print off the rules for kids as big as I can, laminate it and stick it over my kids beds!!!

Date: 2009-09-20 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
I think it means anywhere covered in clothing, myself - but who knows? ;D xxx

Date: 2009-09-20 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
Yes, there are loads of instructions of that order in this little book. I must say I do enjoy reading them. :D xxx

Date: 2009-09-20 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
Well, not necessarily upper classes, just those with aspirations to gentility. My family had servants in the 19th century, but no money - just love.
I loved the bowing to parents when entering a room. I told Rich he has to do this, as well as call me 'madam'. He laughed. :D xxx

Date: 2009-09-20 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
Yup, indeed. It seems to me that looking as if they've just crawled out of a trash can is de rigueur for a lot of youth these days! :D xxx

Date: 2009-09-20 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
That's one of my betes noir as you know - children interrupting. If anyone's going to be interrupting it's ME! ;D xxx

Date: 2009-09-20 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
Well, the fork was quite a new invention, and not particularly used to put food into ones mouth. If one was eating chicken, fingers it was. In fact it still is good manners to eat chicken or other fowl on the bone, using fingers. Imagine doing that with steak! :O xxx

Date: 2009-09-20 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
Yes, very true. I never did see the point of beating children - or, indeed, anyone else. My grandkids are darlings - but they will interrupt adults, which mine never did. Still don't, actually - if the adult is ME. :D xxx

Date: 2009-09-20 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ismenin.livejournal.com
Ha! Good idea. Next time your children pass you coming out of the bathroom in your dressing gown and pink fluffy slippers, make sure they bow to you in the corridor! ;D xxx

Date: 2009-09-20 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janejanejane.livejournal.com
LOL! That's one thing we have to correct with certain children at school ;0)
XXX

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